Should there continue to be a women's only section on nofap. Why or why not?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Knight Solaire, Jul 10, 2015.

Should there be a women's only section on the forums?

  1. Yes

    63.0%
  2. No

    13.0%
  3. Yes, but there should also be room for a LGBT section, Christian section etc.

    13.0%
  4. No, groups should be able to handle any subforum like these.

    23.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. himmelstoss

    himmelstoss Fapstronaut

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    You can still tell.
     
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  2. axy_david

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    Don't push the button man. There have been countless of situations where female members turned out to be men, thus proving that many were deceived.
    Also there are women posting in the main sections, you cannot escape it. Maybe filter some stories, that's it.
    As far as I understood the community is supposed to help each-other, I understand that some stories can trigger you, but is isolating yourself from the fact that women are also struggling with PMO beneficial? I don't understand this....stubbornness of isolation from understanding the opposite sex. It's counter-intuitive since there is a curiosity of the opposite sex.
    How about a vote system on every post to decide if a post is triggering and if so how much then you could set a limit on how much trigger risk there should be for you?
     
  3. himmelstoss

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    I didn't say make it invisible to everyone or remove it. Hell, the smartest way would be to give us the option to hide any subforum we want. Sometimes you're in the first few weeks of a streak and you just need to filter even the most inoccuous things.
     
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  4. Elduderino

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    What about just respecting women's privacy, giving them respect and decency.

    We could probably do that by giving them their own forum.
     
  5. Knight Solaire

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    Maybe like a 1-10 rating of triggering-ness? I like that idea actually.
     
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  6. Knight Solaire

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    But don't you think we are just herding them into a pin and locking the key? We should be open with each other. Accepting each other. Loving each other and helping each other. I, for one have never went to the women's forums and I think it is downright ridiculous to want to hide it. I can't find it as it is lmao.

    If you are looking for triggering content on nofap, you are doing it wrong lol. People are way too desperate. I say abolish all gender exclusive forums so we all can help each other. It is putting a irrational wall between us for no good reason.
     
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  7. Elduderino

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    Better to have the sheep in the flock than to let them gallavant around the woods.

    I'm not being sexist and saying women are sheep to be kept in a corralle, I'm saying all of us while trying to fight our addictions need to keep healthy relations and sense of identity. It's no use for men to be identifying as women and vice versa when fighting the PMO problem which of course is inherently sexual.

    And the bottom line is that it's just plain disrespectful, intrusive and even perverted for us to want to be equally involved in the other sex's private sexual issues unless we're married to them.

    Let men be men and women be women.
     
  8. Knight Solaire

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    That's just it, women can't be women and men can't be men if they are being segregated. I know that seems like "common courtesy" and that you are just trying to be chivalric, but women don't need us to protect them from the dangers of the world of men.

    They can defend themselves.
     
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  9. Elduderino

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    Dude, nofap isn't the whole world. Segregation from private matters actually indeed reinforces healthy and accurate sexual identity.

    That's why young boys play trucks with other boys and girls play with dollies, it reinforces and establishes healthy, accurate and natural sexual identity.

    As we are recovering from addiction of a sexual nature it is absolutely imperative that we do not mix and spoil the broth with too many cooks and ingredients rather than using all the cooks and ingredients for the sake of "equality" over justice.

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    Women aren't men, don't treat them like men. To assume that this is unjust treatment is a false dichotomy.
     
  10. Knight Solaire

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    Nofap is a place where adults converse about mature matters. None of us are children and need to establish or maintain sexual identity.

    I honestly don't know what to say to you man. I disagree because I think that nofap is a place where we can all relate as humans and leave behind the gender roles and societal norms.
     
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  11. SerpentEagleHeart

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    Didn't they used to have groups?

    You could have a Groups Section and in that section could be 'women' 'LGBT' 'Christian' etc, which people could join if they wanted rather than feeling they had to go there because 'this is the section where the women go'...
     
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  12. axy_david

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    Alright I get you, you're old fashioned and now you're defining your reasons for it, this is what I like about discussions, it helps by improving the shape of ones opinion.
    When I was small I used to get hang around with girls, that doesn't mean I played with dolls or didn't play with cars, that simply means I socialized with girls because I did not get most of the guys. This girls will be girls and boys will be boys ideology is why there are so many men struggling with PMO, they think it's OK because everyone else is doing it, it might have even started because of group pressure! It's about acknowledging that PMO is ugly regardless of gender, and really bad if you're in a relationship. How would've you know PMO affect spouses in a bad way if you wouldn't read their private sexual stories? Let all men ignore the women that are hurt by the fact that their spouse uses PMO and hurt their future spouse in the same way, after all it's none of their business, genial!
    If there is something I noticed in so called segregation for a healthy and accurate sexual identity is that in the boys side you will never get to express and nurture your feelings, it's always this distance between individuals, there are lots of jokes but not real closure, I'm speaking from my own experience. I doubt being isolated from your own feeling helps reinforcing a healthy and accurate sexual identity.
    I definitely believe that LGBT is a direct result of gender segregation, because of the alienation of the genders people came to believe that the grass is greener on the other side. If an individual wants to share their private sexual issues with us who are you to judge the opposing sex who pays attention or responds to the problem as being plain disrespectful, intrusive and even perverted for wanting to be equally involved in the other sex's private sexual issues unless they're married to them?
     
  13. axy_david

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    I wanna go to a womens group again to see how it is this time, last time I was in a womens group was pretty OK. It had a good influence on me because it reminded me that women are humans, nowadays I have forgotten that and usually ignore them because I hate them, because of too much misinformation from mass-media. How are we supposed to combat the garbage from TV when we don't have a reminder that women are not like that? I hate myself for letting myself be misinformed like that and mindlessly hating someone because of it.
     
  14. mv8652

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    I say leave it such that all are welcome in the main group. If some women (based on the physical and psychological distinctions) feel more comfortable discussing only with women and want one, then perhaps a separate "ladies' room" (accessible only to females) could be available for those. It would be like when the women in any workplace get into their little huddles and do "girl talk" or how some women will go only to a female gynecologist. That's fine by me.

    I don't think that a separate section for gays is necessary. All males have the same anatomy and drives, regardless of orientations. There is no functional difference when it comes to PMO addiction or the practice of no-PMO. I don't think that there has ever been any toleration problem here that wasn't quickly righted by our excellent moderators. Better understanding is never achieved by segregation. Besides, no matter how well-intentioned, most things that I've ever seen that were set up separately for gays were, unfortunately, soon taken over by a minority who only wanted to use them as venues for cruising.

    I'm definitely an Evangelical Christian, but I don't think that a Christian section would work. There are too many different flavors! There are the Catholics, Mormons, JWs, etc. who hold that masturbation itself is a serious sin; while most other Christians do not see it inherently as such and are more concerned by the porn and addiction angles. There would be too many debates, and they would ramify into other topics unrelated to PMO. Then, the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Confucians, Rastafarians, Zoroastrians, and Druids would all want their own sections. We've already heard from an atheist who wants an atheist section. I think that Alexander's NoFap rules address religion masterfully and set the tone for discussions that are respectful of all creeds, even as members may mention how their faiths (of whatever sorts) have aided them in their struggles (as is undoubtedly true).

    We don't need separate sections for the various orientations and religions any more than we need them for people who are left-handed, red-headed, vegans, Navajo, or Auburn alumni. There are other forums for all of those. This is the one for no-PMO.
     
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  15. axy_david

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    Man, I feel alone against many, I give up, let the women have their own forum but I demand an LGBT forum, I'm tired of being misunderstood by cookies.
     
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2015
  16. Knight Solaire

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    I'm pretty sure you guys agree on the same thing lol. Maybe you misunderstood him?
     
  17. axy_david

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    "ladies' room" (accessible only to females) sure does not sound like my opinion.
    All males have the same anatomy and drives, regardless of orientations. Anatomy? It's arguable. Drives? Hell no!
    I agree with him on the rest tho, I'm just tired tho. I'm a retard.
     
  18. Knight Solaire

    Knight Solaire Fapstronaut

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    Go to sleep then you crazy bastard.:p
     
  19. axy_david

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    Can't my dysphoria is acting up now, I doubt I'll sleep before I'll have a crying session. You're right about me being crazy, I wanna milk pink dinosaurs, maybe I'll get gigantic milka chocolate.
     
  20. Knight Solaire

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    Then cry it out buddy. Disatisfaction with life is a horrible thing, but easily countered. Getting the hell off here and laying in bed while thinking of all the things you are greatful for should really help. Oh, and if you want to keep talking about this, you should probably pm me.
     
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