What's your opinion on Andrew Tate ?

You know, I find it interesting that you are so insistent that "my" way of doing things (i.e. being reasonable and trying to talk to people when possible and maybe changing some minds with kindness) wouldn't work, but you never did respond to the article I sent you in the previous thread, about the black man who converted tons of KKK members using this very method.

Do you deny the reality of his story? Do you think it's meaningless evidence to see that this black man actually changed the minds of racist white supremacists by befriending them?

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/5448...0-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes

 

Excuse me, is not dumb at all, if a misogynist with an "you are only good for sex and making me sandwiches" attitude, just have that superiority view of himself and low view of the value and capabilities of women, that is not something that will ever justify getting him killed, or does it? He would basically be immune to such type of retaliation.

What constitutes an attacker? because most cases of misogyny are not the extreme cases that end up on physical violence, or are we allowing to have someone shoot someone else because they got their feelings hurt? I don't completely follow the reasoning, an attacker, yes, to root in jail, or even shoot, fine, but what about the vast majority, the rest of them, the actual bulk part of the problem?

You see, at least now you admit there is a chance of changing their minds, only you seem to think that the only way is making them feel physically threaten with being killed...

This is the most sensible approach so far from all you have said when it comes to address the problem.

 

I'm an acne faced 18 year old, turning 19. Porn addiction has been my biggest problem since I was 10. Oppressing women doesn't solve my problems, only my actions can. I'm trying to fight my porn addiction, work at my new food service job, and balance that with enough sleep, a good diet, and some exercise. I have goals, challenges, and things I want to experience in this world. I have 600 dollars and I'm debating on going to college to become an engineer. I'm just a dude with a nuanced opinion. So yet again, tell me what you think my motives are?

 

You literally said you would never even try to reason or negotiate with them.

So what's exactly your plan then? threaten them into abandoning their stance?

 

Ok, but how do you limit their options etc? reducing the validation is quite straightforward, I get that, is the limiting their options and deluding their entitlement that I don't fully grasp what you mean by it, and as I want to understand what you mean by it, I would appreciate if instead of getting defensive you would please try to phrase it differently, or expand on it, so maybe I can get a better understanding of what you mean by it.

 

So, by threatening them with fire arms and violence so they are scared?

 

No... I brought it up twice, and I never claimed it was a standard or default. I simply said I'd like to hear what you think of it, because it means something.

You're comparing apples and oranges now, though. We aren't talking about racism back when segregation and slavery were legal and the norm. We are talking about current times.

Similarly, we aren't talking about societies where misogyny is legally supported and lurking around every corner. We are talking about modern day, which I think is a very apt comparison to the experience of the man in the article. I would say extreme misogynists are probably about as common place as members of the KKK, in this day and age. Meaning, they exist, yes, and there are probably more than we even realize, but it's not some kind of normal standard practice that is legally supported (at least not in the US).

I just find it frustrating that you seem to just completely dismiss this guy's lived experience because it doesn't fit your narrative. You act like it's some outlier that doesn't matter, but I don't think converting 200 KKK members is an outlier... it seems more like a good solid strategy that has worked with a ton of people (literally hundreds) and that we should consider trying in other areas of life, like with misogynists for example.

I dont think you can just flippantly ignore this guy's strategy when it has worked on hundreds of people. That seems noteworthy and worth considering.

 

Well that's your opinion, and it's perfectly fine for you to have that opinion. You could even be correct. Who knows. What people have a problem with is the way you talk about and treat anyone else -- especially other women -- who have different opinions on that.

And you seem to think it's fine that you treat those women poorly, because you have decided that they are doing something horribly evil by not agreeing with you, since they are sympathizing with the enemy or something. That's the part people have beef with. Or at least that's the part I have beef with.

 

I really have no idea what you even mean by this. I wasn't even aware that I had a "strategy" for converting misogynists. But it's interesting that you apparently know exactly what my strategy is.