↑ This tread is about Mantak Chia Taohist 'sexual healing' techniques combined with pornography, how this is a dreadful combination. Please let me know what you think. ¨Out of interest, how did these techniques fuck you up?¨ My response to your question is very late I'm sorry. About the techniques and how they fucked me up: I did combine some of the practices with watching porn, mostly the training of the PC muscle (also known as pelvic floor or pubococcygeus muscles) that is also involved when you hold your pee. If you focus long enough on this muscle and keep contracting it over and over, eventually you'll gain more control over it, which in my case caused me to be able to get a strong erection at will, while also feeling a strong arousal going through my whole body. When my penis was erect and I would keep contracting the muscle I would eventually be pleasured with an intense orgasmic feeling without ejaculating, the orgasm would feel a lot more intense then a regular orgasm and didn't seem to really have an end because I couldn’t ejaculate. I was now able to reach an orgasm without ejaculation as Mantak Chia said. Eventually I combined the contracting of this muscle with watching porn. In general when consuming porn I would get arousal from what ever sexual stimuli I precieved, every new shot,scene,action,actress, etc spiked this arousal, you know this feeling, you can even experience some of it just by the thought of watching porn, or at least I can, now imagine that you can intensify this aroused feeling by the contraction of a muscle, the PC muscle. Every time you see some arousing pornography, you contract the muscle, and every time you do so, the arousal is intensified. And you keep contracting, over and over and over and over, heightening your arousal to the point where you feel light headed, you start looking cross-eyed, euphoric explosions in your head constantly constantly exciting you, your whole body contracts, there is a super-stimulated amount of precum, when you move your body into a new position, and are shortly aware of your whole body, you feel light as a feather as if on a stimulant or steroids. You keeping searching for different content to spike your arousal that way and the monsterous element to it all is that you don't ejaculate, so you can keep going for hours until you give in and jerk off to end the session, this ejaculatory orgasm is barely felt though, as you've already been in an orgasmic state for hours. This was my addiction for three years. I quit watching porn est 1.5 years ago and am still recovering from its severity. Sometimes I get arousal, and it is so intense that I completely change, I can't focus on anything, my facial expression changes, I snarl, I get headaches. And this happens in social situation, causing me to feel a lot of anxiety, and difficulties to preform academically.
There are the key words, "combined with pornography. Yes indeed, everything combined with pornography will be made dreadful by pornography, that should not be a surprise. Sounds to me that what fucked you up was not Mantak Chia's practices but rather you edging to porn. You just used those Taoist sexual health exercises to edge, that's all. You blaming Chia's stuff for it seems like a misdirection of blame. I don't think there is anything wrong with doing those sexual health exercises. I've done them too and they are fine. Just don't use porn while doing them and don't edge for hours with them.
Okay, so you have experienced them being fine. That’s great. I experienced it very differently. I’m not ‘blaming’ anyone here. I didn’t say “because of him/his practices I am fucked up” or “he is to blame” and I didn’t try to imply that, I’m just telling you what happened as a consequence of me learning about those techniques. For you they work fine, that really is great, I used it to enhance and lengthen the pleasure of watching porn and I’m an addict so I wouldn’t stop, I can’t be responsible with the techniques so for me they are quite dangerous. I am a little hurt that you shrugged my story off as an expression of ‘edging’. The technique where I contract the pc muscle made it so that I didn’t have to masturbate, I wouldn’t even touch my penis, none at all, only perhaps for 10 seconds at the end to ejaculate. So no edging. It really was a different, much more potent, kind of pleasure. Not to say that I distance myself from edging as that too has been a big part of my addiction, it’s quite different from the story I’m telling though. I was honestly not expecting critique. If you want you could tell me how you experience the techniques, specifically the contracting of the pc muscle. Let me know! Ps you seem to have disagreeable traits, or at least read my message as though I was expressing critique.
Well, maybe you did not intentionally try to imply, but at least accidentally you did. I mean, you literary said, "these techniques combined with porn use fucked me up" and then called this thread "Mantak Chia Taoist Practices" where you share your bad experience with them. That definitely implies that his practices is to at least partly to blame. My point however is that it's porn and adging addiction that is to blame instead. Ya namsayin'? But it is edging though. You don't have to touch the penis for it to be called edging. You can masturbate and edge hands free. Masturbation is defined as self stimulation of one's own genitals for pleasure; could be done by a hand, a sex toy or by mind—doesn't matter. And edging just means that you stimulate yourself and keep yourself in a high state of arousal, close to orgasm, for long time. You wrote: Sounds like edging to me brother... There is no critique of you. We all are porn/MO/edging addicts in recovery here. The critique was rather of the implication that Taoist sexual health practices is to blame. Which you said you did not intend to imply. So it's a type of accidental miscommunication I believe. I did practice them for a while to learn non–ejaculatory orgasm. Did it with porn too. Had some success with NEOs but did not master it. Then I went on nofap and gave that pursuit up cause I gave up MO while on no PMO reboot. Then later used these exercises while on nofap—just kegels plus breathwork, without masturbation this time—to help prevent wet dreams, and the loss of semen during wet dreams for SR practice. Worked very nicely for the purpose of SR. I don't do them currently though, might get back into it at some point. Sure, fair enough, that makes sense. But again, that's the addiction to blame. I agree with you that for those of us who are addicted to porn and/or masturbation/edging doing these Taoist sexual health practices might be dangerous, because it might trigger into edging/M'ing and a relapse. Ended up being fine for me, but I did more than 7 months of Hard Mode so I rebooted from MO. So I don't recommend it to people until they at least reboot from PMO addiction. This is advanced tantric stuff that should be left to those who are interested in SR and have developed some sexual continence discipline already. Otherwise very easy to get addicted to multiple NEOs too when you unlock that ability.
I see. So you also combined the technique with porn. I was desperately looking for people who have because I never met anyone, and when I talked about it with people they didn’t understand what the hell I was talking about, so to reach out as wide as possible I put the title of the tread as ‘Mantak Chia Taoist practices’, and even put tags, because I want to talk specifically about those techniques in relation to porn. And it seems to have worked. But I understand the implication. Platforms like youtube really make it easy to just cherry pick information like those taoist practices which were obviously not intended for pornography. About edging. It’s a semantic argument at this point, I thought edging solely meant jerking off and stopping on the edge of orgasm, but seeing as though I’m not a very active member of this community or any other porn addiction communities, I could have a different meaning of the term edging commonly understood. I can adjust mine. When contracting the pc muscle I get a very strong feeling of arousal that starts at my prostate and if followed up goes through my whole body, even through my legs I remember vividly. A very different sensation than rubbing my penis, and so that’s why I differentiated it from edging, but I shouldn't. Beside from the endless edging that is made possible through the contraction of the pc muscle, there is another problem I faced: because it becomes so easy to contract the pc muscle once you learn it -and I would contract it all day long- eventually I would do it without thinking about it, then when I started recovering I noticed that at certain moments it was impossible not to contract the muscle, especially while laying in bed. Some nights I would be laying in bed with my eyes closed trying to sleep, when I would randomly get a little jolt of arousal from a sexual thought, which then caused the muscle to contract which would then become almost impossible to not do, followed by reaching a NEO seemingly effortlessly, as if engaging in my addictive behavior without there being any way to stop it. I would be hung over the next day. This still happens from time to time. Right after a session where you reached a NEO, did you also feel all tense, as if on drugs? So after 7 months of complete abstinence you could once again integrate masturbation and/or sex into your life? Without it having a negative impact on multiple domains of your life? I'm asking this because when I engage in masturbation or sex, even after having quit porn for 500+ days and abstaining from masturbation for months at a time, I still feel terrible for days after engaging.
No, I wouldn't say so. I felt like I always feel after having a normal O; a release of tension if anything. But that's probably cause I finished with a normal O after NEO. But when I would just have a NEO, and would not follow up with an ejaculatory O, I would feel kind of energized. Which I guess makes sense, cause you get all the dopamine of O but without all the prolactin, which is released mainly by ejaculation. I always subjectively interpreted that positively as energy, but maybe that feeling could be subjectively perceived as tension too, I don't know. Yes. MO no longer leads me to porn and PMO. I still want to improve some things further, such as decreasing my urges to MO as frequently and clean out the last residue of porn from my brain, which makes me wanna engage in porn substitutes, but I would not say that it's detrimental at this point. I don't know man. I've definitely heard people say this on here many times. I can't say that I relate though. For me the problem was PMO, which lead to excessive MO and edging. Now that I have rebooted from porn I feel like I can relatively well control my MO urges and have no desire to edge at all. I'm not sure why you feel that way. Maybe it's post acute withdrawal syndrome or post orgasmic illness syndrome? If it's POIS then I don't know man. But if it's PAWS then maybe you need more time on Hard Mode reboot (Hard Mode reboot also means no intentional O, not during MO and not even during sex)? Also make sure not to edge while on it, cause otherwise it doesn't really work that well (and I would say ideally no sex either, cause even non–orgasmic sex is kind of like an edging). I also did abstain for 2 to 3 months at a time, many times before, and it did not work. It only finally worked when I went over 7 months. So maybe there needs to be a certain consecutive day streak of abstinence for brain to revive? I don't know.
