Feedback mechanisms. Not my are of expertise, but say my body is hovering at 180 dg/L and after therapy (creams, injections or pills), my T levels rise to 500dg/L. For whatever reason, by body only made T to 180 dg/L so when it gets the feedback that T levels are so high, it stops production. This is roughly how the urologist explained it to me. Once the body recognises that T levels are higher, the testicles stop producing testosterone. Completely. Turned off. If a man ever decides to get off the T therapy, then his T levels will totally crash because his body is producing zero testosterone! That was enough to scare me off. Other guys say "give me the T-therapy. Yes, please. I don't care about the side effects. There's a magic pill that will give be big hard ons, help me build more muscle and give me more energy?? - sign me up!"
How does radical feminism view butch/bull (not sure if there is a PC term) lesbians that seek to emulate men both in appearance and sexual interaction (focusing on penetration via strapons) with women?
Not to the degree the manosphere portrays. I certainly don't see how men would become effeminate depending how you define being effeminate. Also I don't think the shift in what women see as an attractive man has much to do with hormones. Beauty standards changed many times across human history, for example, ancient Greek and Roman cultures viewed large penises as ugly and animalistic. And telling someone he has a large member was considered an insult. In the past women who were chubbier were seen as more attractive than slim women, because chubbiness represented wealth and prosperity. That's once again because the decline we see today is the byproduct of environmental factors, and the men experiencing the decline are entering a hormonal destabilisation instead of naturally having a lower T level, which would lead to lower impulse for aggressiveness.
The slow decline that you are referring to is a byproduct of environmental factors and the changes in society, these were by no means positive for society. You reference Greek and Roman cultures, both of which were destroyed during a period where men became complacent and more than likely had a dip in testosterone. The cultures and society that showed true and strong progress had men with an average higher level of testosterone. The destruction of all those cultures were caused by an average decline in testosterone, and thus history continued to repeat itself that way. Now we are at a point of a sharp decline due to several environmental, cultural, nutrient factors that are destabilizing hormones for both men and women. The lower level of T does not bring a lower impulse or aggressiveness, rather it brings a plethora of depressed and anxious men, who have no ambition. These men will have higher tendencies of unstable aggression and hostility towards anyone, due to the state of their mental health. If you truly want to solve the aggression issue, you are going about it the wrong way. Elevated testosterone levels have nothing to do with aggression in humans. Like I've said before, the only way to reduce aggressiveness is to adopt education in emotional management and expression from a young age. Also, to promote a lifestyle that allows men to have healthy and abundant levels of testosterone. This is why its important to eat grass fed meat, if you are eating generic meat that is pumped with estrogenic hormones, you will have a decline your testosterone and it will destabilizing your hormones. This is likely why your father had aggressive tendencies. It's not because of elevated T, rather because of a decline in T.
Actually that's only your speculation. Can the same be extrapolated to any civilisation that rose and fell ? The unique set of circumstances of our era are by no means applicable to ancient civilisations.
I am not so sure about that. Maybe it is slightely better when it comes to your Health especially not consumingHormones but emotionally?...I personally dont think so. Since I don't eat meat I have become definetly more calm over the years. I also see that food can play a Role with fighting PMO. It really can help to eat less Sugar and less Protein to make a step forward. That is something what most budhist Monks and Nuns are following. That was pretty interesting for me at least. I believe that consuming Meat makes the people restless and stressful no matter if it is grass fed or not. Both Animals are going to be slaughtered wether it is Kosher Halal or with the western Methode. This releases alot of stress in them. Those informations must go somewhere no matter what you have eaten.
I saw your post of the Thich Nhat Hahn video in the profile and along with some others thought it may be worth pointing out the Buddhist view of karma depends largely on the intention that informs an action, not the action alone. I happen to be reading about this at the moment and there's more detail than what we see the monastics practice outwardly if it's going to be viewed through that lens. If it's strictly about physical harm then the Jains would be the ultra nonviolent where they even cover their mouths to prevent bugs from entering. But suffice it to say there's more details if the mind is also taken into consideration, like the Yogacara model of the six senses of thinking mind being one, then egoic mind that influence that and an eighth consciousness, alayavijnana. They have a whole context which many might ignore or not know about when one thing is taken out of their repertoire of behavior in the sensemaking of another perspective.
I believe most, if not all, civilizations that rose and fell were prone to the same complacency and same decline in T for their men. I’m not saying the decline is on par with what it is now, but it an emulation to a much lesser degree. The only thing that is clear is that the decline in T occurred, we are both speculating as to why. I do believe that what I am saying is factual though and makes sense, given everything I’ve mentioned on this thread. Let us leave it there and agree to disagree at this point in time. It’s interesting, I have heard this point of view before. I tried my hand at veganism for about 3 months, personally it made me anxious and I felt weaker. I believe that animals who are grass fed, are also taken care of properly with an overall good quality of life. Apart from the huge factor of them not being pumped with hormones, they are also not releasing high levels of cortisol throughout their life. Which would affect to the emotional state of the animal. I agree with you on food being a vital piece in the fight with PMO, if you eat junk food you’re stimulating the same cheap dopamine hit, which makes your body crave for more and you may lead yourself to relapse.
I regret to inform the forum that @+TenPercent has died. The autopsy of his body found blood testo concentration off by a factor of 10 million from normal
You are definetly right here. The aim should be to educate people from young age so that we have a peaceful society which lives a hamonious Life without Crime, Violence, Drug Abuse, Discrimination an so on. People who are respectful to each other and having cultured the soul of loving kindness and loving speech and right acting in each and every persons heart. I do believe that we even can argue in a really respectful manner without hurting each others Feelings. The higher we reach such a consciousness level on earth, the better it is for all of us. For Example: Me personally, I can really understand why Woman are afraid like dating a Men for the first Time. Because when they say things from their Experience like: "My Father, my Brother or my Uncle has treated me in a very bad way" then maybe it is easy to think that the rest of Men has to be like that also. We are reflecting things from our personal Experience. Being oppressed and used as a Woman, being seen as a Sex Object, who do everything for his loved ones but in the end of the Day your Father, your Brother, your Uncel or even your Ex-Boyfriend only hurts you with physically abuse or mentally pressure and on top of that he was never there for you. And those people probably loosing their moral values, can be also hard to handle. And the more you read about negative things for example this Forum who are alot of sadistic and unfair people or hearing about prominent People who harm their Wives or Girlfriends then you begin not to understand the world anymore. To be honest I really can understand this Feeling. I even understand Men's Standpoint for loosing Hope in real and honest True Love from the opposite Gender for different Reasons. I really do.....but there is Hope. This world doesn't live on wickedness alone.
However, there's a nagging thought in my mind. Your theory suggests that among our predecessors, males with higher testosterone were progressively removed from the genetic pool, supposedly because they were less inclined towards hedonism and recklessness. As a result, they became social outcasts with limited opportunities for reproduction. Nevertheless, the expert in your video points out that refraining from engaging in hedonistic and reckless behavior actually reduces testosterone levels, and the reverse is also true. Given this presumption, one might suppose that if any male ancestor abstained from such heedless and extravagant activities, it's more plausible that his testosterone levels would decrease as a consequence. Alternatively, it's conceivable that this particular male had inherently lower levels of testosterone and therefore wasn't naturally predisposed to recklessness and hedonism to a significant degree from the start. Therefore, the indulgence in pleasure-seeking behaviors that could have contributed to the downfall of past civilizations could potentially be linked to elevated testosterone levels. This elevation might stem from either active participation in hedonism and recklessness or a sudden inherent surge in testosterone levels among males, subsequently driving them towards a greater inclination for hedonism and recklessness.
Oops. ng/dL That was a hypothetical scenario. I never did T therapy (and I’ve heard of guys who’s T went WAY too high) and the highest I’ve reached is 250 ng/dL
Why is @she-dernatinus suspended?? She’s thoughtful, eloquent and courageous. Everyone has a right to express their opinions and engage in lively debate. And THIS has surely been a lively discussion. Let the woman speak!
Dude, I don't know what thread you've been reading, but she's spent many pages arguing and spreading misinformation that lowered testosterone levels in men is a good thing for the "evolution of our species" which to be blunt is literally advocating for eugenics against men. After several men including myself called her out for it she then spent a while trying to backpedal and act like she was baiting for replies and/or trolling (despite saying the exact same things on every thread she posts on). Then she started throwing insults around, at myself and others. I'm not sure what part of all that was "thoughtful, eloquent and courageous."
She also heavily implied she was posting other users responses elsewhere. Which is extremely disrespectful for a recovery forum. I'd care on what I'd say to her. Especially if you're male and private messaging here, because she clearly has no respect for anyone's privacy.
Appreciate the reply. Still, it sounds like differences of opinion to me. And it takes two or more to have an argument (or discussion) and clearly several people have found her posts thought provoking and worthy of reply.
Not going to lie, this response has left me flabbergasted. Her promoting men having lower testosterone is approving of them being sick and miserable and being unable to fulfill their roles as men. That also means YOU. It's a little bit more than a difference of opinion, it's an abhorrent view to have, and frankly if any man was as sexist as she is on here, they'd be banned outright, not suspended. She has spent her entire time on this site making threads complaining about men, derailing threads to complain about men, and baiting others in DMs to complain about men, while suffering none of the consequences men have suffered for posting stuff way tamer than the misandrist vitriol she posts on the regular. She doesn't have a day counter, she doesn't make posts actually pertaining to the intended function of the site, she doesn't keep a journal, all she does is try to push her radfem belief system on anyone who will listen to her and even anyone who won't. Preaching is against forum rules. She's heavily implied she takes screenshots of the things people on here say to post to a radfem facebook page or other online group, which by definition is trolling and against the rules. Calling me a "coombrain" is an insult and against the rules (no I wasn't the one who reported her before anyone asks) and she's said worse to others. The only reason you don't notice any of these things is because you don't challenge her on anything, you just nod your head along with it even when what she's saying is provably wrong. This whole thread has been her shitting on men and masculinity from a great height and then backpedalling when called out, but yes, the misogyny is the problem right? Lord give me strength to go on.
For me: Everybody can have his own Opinion about different Topics. Even if it is meant to be seen "critical" or having an unpopular Opinion or Statement, just like saying that "the earth is flat" for Example. You can talk about it, If someone disagrees he or she doesn't have to listen to this or just dont answer to it. I mean this in general; its not only about her. I know Shedernatinus for a long long Time and I can tell you that she is a really kind Person. I personally don't think that she is saying things out of Hate or Misandry. This doesn't suit to her. I also don't find it okay to exclude or fight someone in a group of 4-5 Men against 1 Woman just because she is not seeing the same way like I do or for what I standing for. And vice versa. Maybe this Person has a wrong Assumption and see the Reality as it is and mix these two Things all together? Who knows. Or maybe someone can have Traumas or bad Experiences? I think none of us are perfect or had a perfect Life otherwise we wouldn't talk on the same NO PMO Platform. Although I am not Christian I find it very true what Jesus said. Jesus once said: "The sinnless one among you, go first: Throw the Stone." -Now Coming back to the Main Topic again: I think UnholyConfessor and the redemption Guy can be right about low Testosterone. I know Furious Pete which came up through my mind today, who had his 2 Testicules removed because he had Testicular Cancer. Well it is first removed one "ball". You can live with one "ball", but if your two "balls" get removed you need to inject Testosterone in your Body otherwise you get serious Health Problems or you are dead, but I dont know which Illnesses a Man can get. So I can't speak about it. This is definetly a sign that a Man needs Testosterone. Because Nature want it that way. But I am also aginst injecting extra Testo. if you are healthy enough. Some Bodybuilders do it and I believe thats not healthy to have such a Lifestyle.
On another hand, there are also users who have been spewing redpill/mgtow vitriol for quite a long time without getting banned. Many other men here don't shy away from calling women wh*res and sl*ts and they don't get banned. This place is notorious for fostering many sexist and misogynistic members, and for obvious reasons. So there are men who are as sexist and hateful as you think I am. It makes sense when you really think about it, men in this forum represent the statistical majority and therefore their woman-bashing opinions will face little to no pushback from the rest of the user base because they align with their views for the most part. Meanwhile, the same male majority will put any female member to a witch trial if she dares to paint an unfavourable picture of men, based on the tangible and blatant cruelty men subject women to. I am far from being the only female user who noticed this double-standard. That's also something you should take into account. So don't pretend that male users didn't enjoy lot of freedom with their porn-fueled hate towards women.
