I no longer be leave in this NoFap thing

I essentially agree with the basic idea you present here: masturbation is not a bad thing.

NoFap agrees.

You're also right that a lot of people here go all gung-ho about doing neither porn nor masturbation.
My plan is to masturbate, but not look at porn. Additionally, I intend to touch myself as lightly as I can manage.

But, again, to emphasize: NoFap is not anti-masturbation.

NoFap is about being able to enjoy your life better, without sexual addiction. Read their about. I got it today in my inbox after joining. You know what? I had been banned before because I thought NoFap was anti-masturbation and got disillusioned. But, that's not true.

So, if you want to talk anti-masturbation people, I suggest you refer to that subculture that most certainly does exist on here.

 

For those in relationships masterbation can damage the relationship.
Worried about STD? Wear a condom. Get tested before sex. I'd rather take a gamble on a partner then masterbate because I was afraid. Sex is more then just a release.

 

I'm 45 had 1 Std from an unfaithful partner. I lived. I'll take my chances.

 

If you think NoFap isn't good, okay. It's your opinion and if you think it didn't work for you, then don't do NoFap. Nobody obligates you here.
I see that when you started masturbating, it hadn't caused you any problems. It even made you more social.

But like it is said "Too much of something can become poison".
Many people damaged their lives and personality using porn. It harms their daily lives and they want to change that.

Masturbation can also become an addiction, just as how anything can. If you think you have masturbation under control, I'm happy for you. But most of the time, personally, If i only masturbate, then a few days later I can guarantee you that It will lead me to watching porn. If it doesn't have that effect on you, GREAT.

You are right about the fact that NoFap makes you want desperate sex. I've been through it because after 3 weeks of No PMO, I was desperate for it and went looking on random dating sites. At the end I managed to control myself and stopped. It's all about learning to control your brain.

Masturbation or porn isn't bad, it's just about the dose and a lot of us can't control the dose. If we don't stop as soon as possible, we want more, more, more and MORE and the more you go on, the harder it gets to quit (obviously we all know that).

 

@prostate-orgasm The word we use in modern english called fornication is derived from ancient latin. During that time Romans could go to the archways for prostitutes; they called the archways Fornix. Also, the word for furnace was Fornax. Fornication is derived from Furnus which burn, approximately. Literally where furnace comes from too.

Consider this, when you fornicate it is any kind of sperm discharging from you. An ancient practice was to have sex with your woman till just before, and not to expire your self. Consider that you are using up your vital energy when you burn your fire off in lust. You could use this energy in a different way. Cheers.

 

actualy the anti-masturbation thing is new. Pro-masturbation thing is old Heres some info from a website:

In his book on American campus life, I Am Charlotte Simmons, Tom Wolfe remarked that, "Many boys spoke openly about how they masturbated at least once every day, as if this were some sort of prudent maintenance of the psychosexual system." More recently, British authorities campaigned to encourage kids to masturbate daily: "An Orgasm A Day Keeps the Doctor Away." They offered no evidence that daily masturbation is beneficial apart from a claim that it improves cardiovascular health. (So does walking up stairs.)

The absence of a reliable consensus could be a problem. Having heard that frequent ejaculation is vital to good health, many men now fear to cut back—even for a time, even when they have sound reasons. They may resort to risky sexual enhancement drugs or more intense sexual stimuli to increase/maintain ejaculation frequency. Some also mistake withdrawal discomfort (when rebooting) as evidence that avoiding ejaculation is harmful, rather than recognizing it as an unavoidable phase in the return to balance.
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Primates are a funny bunch. Even the sexy bonobos and their cousins the macaque monkeys frequently don't ejaculate when they engage in sexual activity. It seems primates need sex for the social bonds that soothe their brains—rather than mere ejaculation. In fact, comforting contact may be even more vital for pair-bonding brains like ours. In any case, too much sexual stimulation can actually leave people less contented.
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On the men's sites that I frequent, the number one rationalization for masturbation is that it is good for the prostate. All you have to do is tell a guy that jerking off is good for his health and he's a lifer. Does frequent masturbation really prevent prostate cancer?
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There are so many contradictory beliefs regarding masturbation (orgasm) out there. Such as, ‘Masturbation creates more testosterone;' ‘If you masturbate, you won't act so desperate (Something About Mary):' and ‘If you don't masturbate you will build up excess testosterone, and lose your hair.'

Upon investigation, we learned that ejaculation is not, in fact, an important influence on testosterone levels (although normal testosterone levels support sexual performance). Testosterone is slightly higher when abstaining from orgasm. And it does rise slightly during sexual activity—before dropping back down to normal. (Orgasmic frequency and plasma testosterone levels in normal human males) It also spikes and then drops back around day 7 after ejaculation, indicating that orgasm triggers a subtle hormonal cycle that lasts at least a week.



You know you can try and convince yourself how good masturbation is. But please don't spread your opinion and try to convince others. If you truly believe masturbation is so good and healthy, then what is the reason you're making a post trying to prove that on the noFap forum. All I can see is the need of affirmation form other. When I thought masturbation was healthy, and porn was too, I was hiding in my room jacking off, and wouldn't tell anyone how ''happy'' I am doing that.

 

I am adding a bit more from yourbrainonporn.com

Have you been taught that adult masturbation is so healthy that it's practically a tonic, that all orgasms are equally beneficial, that there's no such thing as too much ejaculation, and that there are dire consequences from not masturbating very frequently?

If so, you'll be stunned to learn that these widespread beliefs rest on little more than hearsay, and are not supported by recent science. In fact, a growing body of research is undermining them. Researcher Rui Miguel Costa recently summed up the current research (reported below) in the Archives of Sexual Behavior: "Masturbation is Related to Psychopathology and Prostate Dysfunction."

I could go on and on, but if this won't change your mind then nothing will.

 

Personally, I find that the analogy with substance abuse works well for me. Some people feel that it's too anal and socially marginalizing for them to be abstinent, some studies seem to suggest that a little bit of alcohol is somehow good for you (which is contested by some). But basically, if you need rules for your consumption (which you have or have had trouble keeping) you have a substance abuse problem and are best adviced to be competely abstinent. Typically, this abstinence has only benefits and opens you to new ...[everything].
Frequent PMO is typically just a specific dopamine addiction. Author Marnia Robinson (google) makes the scientifically and empirically reasoned point that all orgasm is followed by a two week hangover, leading to all kinds of physical, emotional and social trouble, which she blames for most relationship problems.
As with other substance withdrawals, it would appear that increasing challenges after abstinence are transitional and the most serious challenge is filling the void that the toxic self-medication leaves, i.e. finding a higher meaning of life.
Purity itself is awesome, though, and opens the door to much energy for everything and spiritual experiences that are just impossible to have with the obsessed external focus of sexuality. That is quite the consensus among the most talented meditators across cultures, traditions and centuries, whether they are in accepted religions or counter-cultural.

 

@Blixer Yeah. I have that problem with drinking. I get addicted so fast. Its much better to flat out quit.

 

@ISO Happiness DIsagree. People don't have to have relationships etc. Its a private matter much of this.

Good for u that u dont MO though =).

 

Lol jacking off is not as pleasurable as real sex in my opinion, especially when you have gone months w/o PMO.
Also women see a man who is enthusiastic about sex as attractive, I don't know where you read that women like a submissive boy.
Lastly, premature ejaculation? Not once your fully rebooted. And atleast you can actually get hard vs PIED.

So its your choice whether u wanna jack off or not but the site is called "NoFap" so it IS an anti-masturbation site. Yes I agree tht porn is worse than M but why not just get some actual pussy instead of sitting in ur room fantasizing about fuckin a girl?
And if ur scared of STDs your not alone. Everyone is. But you're going to not get any nd jack it instead?

 

I believe masturbation is only healthy if only for the physical release and if its done without lust (imagining sex). CS Lewis states it perfectly:
'For me the real evil of masturbation would be that it takes an appetite which, in lawful use, leads the individual out of himself to complete (and correct) his own personality in that of another (and finally in children and even grandchildren) and turns it back: sends the man back into the prison of himself, there to keep a harem of imaginary brides. And this harem, once admitted, works against his ever getting out and really uniting with a real woman. For the harem is always accessible, always subservient, calls for no sacrifices or adjustments, and can be endowed with erotic and psychological attractions which no real woman can rival. Among those shadowy brides he is always adored, always the perfect lover: no demand is made on his unselfishness, no mortification ever imposed on his vanity. In the end, they become merely the medium through which he increasingly adores himself . . . . And it is not only the faculty of love which is thus sterilized, forced back on itself, but also the faculty of imagination.

The true exercise of imagination, in my view, is (a) To help us to understand other people (b) To respond to, and, some of us, to produce, art. But it has also a bad use: to provide for us, in shadowy form, a substitute for virtues, successes, distinctions etc. which ought to be sought outside in the real world—e.g. picturing all I’d do if I were rich instead of earning and saving. Masturbation involves this abuse of imagination in erotic matters (which I think bad in itself) and thereby encourages a similar abuse of it in all spheres. After all, almost the mainwork of life is to come out of our selves, out of the little, dark prison we are all born in. Masturbation is to be avoided as all things are to be avoided which retard this process. The danger is that of coming to love the prison.'

How many people actually can masturbate without lust is beyond me however. I don't understand how you can reach the point of sexual orgasm when you are sexually attracted to women. I honestly believe atleast for me its impossible to masturbate, and although I can never truly know others, I'm willing to bet that other people can't either, and are either fooling themselves, or manage to do it occasionally but not always.

 

You can't really compare masturbation to real sex. It is really not the same thing. If you think it's the same thing, that's not normal. While masturbating, you are only pleasuring yourself, alone. During sex, you are in contact and intimate with another person. You share a special moment. I also don't think you need to rush into a relationship if you aren't in one. Take your time to flush the porn out of your system, stabilize yourself, go out, meet people and see where it takes you.

And honestly, I would rather get real hard, and have a premature ejaculation than having ED. Anyways, even when I ejaculate prematurely, I can stay hard, put on another condom and continue (saying that by experience).