P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, May 12, 2019.

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  1. kenwood

    kenwood Fapstronaut

    And what are the advantages of more than 7 days of abstinence for an ordinary healthy mature man?
    If studies show that the peak of testosterone and other hormones, then all the "benefits" of abstinence occur on the 7th day of abstinence. There is no point further, biologically it does not give anything except a story and a "fairy tale in my head" - that the more days I abstain, the stronger I will be. It doesn't work that way. A lot of healthy people have moderate orgasms and they are at the top of our hierarchy. They have many achievements. Take even Elon Musk, that orgasms do not prevent him from being one of the best in many areas. So it's not about sex at all. Although an overabundance of sex and an overabundance of any activity will understandably reduce our effectiveness as a species.
    It's like when a non-drinker boosts his ego by not drinking, comparing himself to drinkers.
    So it is with abstinence for the sake of abstinence. Again, I mean abstinence for healthy people who are independent of porn and sex.
     
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  2. Gorkhaliwarrior

    Gorkhaliwarrior Fapstronaut

    Do some research. Orgasm for procreation is fine. Orgasm for pleasure is forbidden. Even Elon musk has talked about this in one of his videos. You were a sex addict and you want to be a sex addict in the future too. That's what's recovery means to you.
     
  3. kenwood

    kenwood Fapstronaut

    Elon Musk, as far as I know, does not limit himself to sex. He has 11 children with different women
    The point is to recover and have sex according to your need. Whether it's a wife if you're married, or another girl (if you're not married). And not abstinence for the sake of abstinence for the rest of your life or for the sake of one beloved, whom you may not meet…
    "Orgasm for pleasure is forbidden" who is forbidden? Are you in a sect?
     
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  4. Gorkhaliwarrior

    Gorkhaliwarrior Fapstronaut

    Why are you offended when I say that sex should be limited? Enjoy sex as much as you want but be ready to bear the consequences.
     
  5. kenwood

    kenwood Fapstronaut

    "Urologist about abstinence in men" Введите в ютубе и ознакомьтесь пожалуйста.
     
  6. Gorkhaliwarrior

    Gorkhaliwarrior Fapstronaut

    Haha. It should be forbidden(that's what musk said). An aspiring sex addict is on a forum where people are trying to get over the symptoms of over sexing. Ridiculous.
     
  7. kenwood

    kenwood Fapstronaut

    This is a branch of recovery from paws and porn addiction, not the "eunuch club". I'm sorry then.
     
  8. mentorr

    mentorr Fapstronaut

    Long-term abstinence from sex is without a doubt a noble cause, but I am not sure if it is realised that it is sometimes seen as a spiritual one. While abstaining from orgasm seems straight forward it can actually create a myriad of problems for some people.

    I think how people decide to live their life after recovery should totally be up to them. There is no reason to judge that.
     
  9. Mr.Tony

    Mr.Tony Moderator Assistant Staff Member Moderator Assistant

    I personally subscribe to the idea:

    " Orgasm for procreation is fine. Orgasm for pleasure is forbidden. " - Gorkhaliwarrior

    I guess by now I suffered long enough to really understand this.
     
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  10. Mr.Tony

    Mr.Tony Moderator Assistant Staff Member Moderator Assistant

    I would like to remind everyone that it is crucial to respect each other's opinions as we work towards our common goal of expanding our knowledge about PAWS and healing from Porn Addiction. Let's continue to support one another in achieving our best.
     
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  11. Gorkhaliwarrior

    Gorkhaliwarrior Fapstronaut

    What problems? Who has suffered from lack of orgasms? It's the addicts that suffer from lack of orgasms. Why do we suffer while going on a long streak but feel ok for a while after we break the streak? People are treating sex(PMO)as medication or a recreational drug. Nobody suffers from lack of orgasms. I don't want to sound spiritual but it's actually the eradication of lust that brings peace, prosperity and bliss. Now let's focus on paws.
     
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  12. jay3241

    jay3241 Fapstronaut

    Let people choose what they want to do - it is their personal choice. I am of the thought school that semen is life force and extremely powerful and is not meant to be wasted on bed sheets/condoms etc. For me, sex always had ugly repurssions on mental health (because u don't stop with 1 orgasm in 5 min - there is foreplay, edging and what not) and then that feeling is too dopaminic to try again and again
    If people find sex healthy post recovery then perfectly ok .
     
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  13. Steelflex

    Steelflex Fapstronaut

    Again this idealogy is something that YOU subscribe to. Please don't claim it as a general norm. Normal people have normal amounts of sex and that's completely normal. Sex one of the most basic human needs. So wanting to have a normal sexual life does NOT mean that someone is "aspiring to be a sex addict". Infact i feel wanting normal sexual functioning should be a motivation for recovery. Over indulgence to a point where one addicted is bad in terms of not just sex but anything that gives pleasure and after going through paws i feel anyone would be enough self aware to not go down that road.
    But please stop saying that sex or orgasm is forbidden, it's not, you're wrong. And please stop making a big fuss about people wanting a normal sexual life, there's nothing wrong with that.

    I've said before and I'll say it again, if no orgams for life or till marriage is something that you subscribe to, good for you. But don't impose it as a general norm or try to imply that this is the only right way. Not everyone will have the same perspective as you. Respect other people's choices as i am respecting yours.
     
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  14. mentorr

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    Because keeping semen in the body for too long creates changes in hormone levels and blood flow.

    If I can be brutally honest - pushing the rhetoric of complete abstinence forever is not bad per se but it can be detrimental if you do not understand the scientific and spiritual mechanics of what you are doing.
     
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  15. Gorkhaliwarrior

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    Guys I am not against lust or sex. Almost everyone around me is married and must be having a sex life. I too would have done that had I not been an addict way before the age of getting married. I have suffered a lot. Now I want to live a happy life. If, in the future, everything turns out to be ok then I may think of getting married but with a like minded girl only. If that doesn't happen then it's ok too. Now I want to make the most of my life. It hurts to not have a family but happiness and peace is more important than anything else for me. You guys are free to do whatever you want with your life. Sorry if I sounded harsh.
     
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  16. Gorkhaliwarrior

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    Arent you supposed to live with optimum hormone levels? Is it necessary to intentionally interfere with your hormone levels in the first place? There is a term called "transmutation". You might want to do some research on it.
     
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  17. mentorr

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    But how does someone transmute sexual energy if they have no libido? You need to be able to feel the "sexual energy" to be able to get started with transmutation - even then sexual transmutation is not a straight forward and easy process.

    I respect that you don't want to give in to lust or sex just for pleasure, I am simply saying to look deep into it, there are rebooters that underestimated the process, went all in with semen retention, had great benefits at first, but then had to stop because the symptoms became too negative.
     
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  18. Mr.Tony

    Mr.Tony Moderator Assistant Staff Member Moderator Assistant

    Regarding Sexual Energy, does it return back ? As for now in my case I have zero libido - for weeks now if not months.
     
  19. amaze99

    amaze99 Fapstronaut

    • 你通过停止pmo后花了多久恢复正常
      你的精神状态(焦虑 抑郁症 性欲)恢复正常了吗
     
  20. Be Inspired

    Be Inspired Fapstronaut

    I am
    Thank you for all that you do around here!
     
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